This morning I read an interesting comment to my post Barack Obama – Commodus Reincarnated? So interesting that I believe my response warrants an entirely new post. Here are her comments and my response:
“Commodus was an ancient figure I was doing research on and was astounded to find your post. Since I couldn’t take the time to read what was written at that moment, I decided to come back to the site and read what you had to say, since you were comparing Obama to Commodus. I have to say, after reading your simpleton blather, I have no hope left that you far right extremists will grow a brain.
Not only do you blame Obama for the abysmal mess Dubya left this country in, you try to distort his accomplishments, diminshing them to less than nothing. I find it interesting (to say the least) that he’s proven himself as a very competent and successful Commander in Chief (Duby certainly was anything but) and even though Bush lied America into going to war with Iraq, alledging WMD, all that has resulted in a war-torn state, trillions of dollars in debt (thanks to Dubya), and tens of thousands of Iraq civilians slaughtered. 600,000 jobs were lost under Bush and 200 plus jobs are being created monthly with Obama. For the first time since 1996, factory jobs are being created and the economy is improving. Dubya defrauded the American people with two corrupted elections with the help of Jeb in 2000 and with Diebold voting machines and Kenneth Blackwell in Ohio in 2004. You far radical right Republicans are creatures of the dark and you will repeatedly lie, with the hope you will somehow be believed. You are nothing short absurd and may you reap what you dish out. I believe in Karmic law!”
The article wasn’t intended to be a strict representation of facts. It was intended as an opinion piece that draws parallels between Commodus and Obama that I found interesting. With that said, at least I provided examples that illustrate my points which is far more than you did in your comment.
However, since you attempted to provide – and failed miserably at an intelligent rebuttal, I will respond accordingly.
First, with the exception of your subjective “Commander-in-Chief” statement, you provide no counter arguments at all with the actual content in my post. My four main points were:
- Lack of Military Training
- Currency Devaluation
- Narcissism & Elitism
- Tipping the Balance of Power (In His Favor)
Instead, you posted a series of rants, inaccuracies and opinions without a single supporting data source. It seems to me that your response is a better example of “simpleton blather”. Here is how I respond it.
“Not only do you blame Obama for the abysmal mess Dubya left this country in, you try to distort his accomplishments, diminshing them to less than nothing.”
Where did I do that in my post? Give me a specific example.
“I find it interesting (to say the least) that he’s proven himself as a very competent and successful Commander in Chief (Duby certainly was anything but) and even though Bush lied America into going to war with Iraq, alledging WMD, all that has resulted in a war-torn state, trillions of dollars in debt (thanks to Dubya), and tens of thousands of Iraq civilians slaughtered.”
Wow! A mixed bag of opinions and inaccuracies – subjective and unsupported. First, how do you measure “competency” and “success”? Those are subjective descriptions. As it is subjective, it ultimately boils down to your opinion versus mine. As I have 19 years of naval service, unless you can meet or exceed that, I’d say that I’m more qualified to make that judgment than you are.
Second, where is your proof that Bush “lied”? That fact that WMDs were not found is NOT proof that he lied. An accurate statement would have been to suggest that he made a poor decision to go to war based on less that reliable intelligence. I would have agreed with you had you done that.
“600,000 jobs were lost under Bush and 200 plus jobs are being created monthly with Obama.”
You must have taken this sound bite directly from MSNBC. Again, no supporting evidence whatsoever. Unfortunately, your assertion has absolutely no basis in fact. Here is that actual unemployment data that I queried directly from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. You can run the query yourself at http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?bls.
In comparing Bush’s numbers (2002-2009) and Obama’s (2009-20120, you can clearly see, that unemployment rose dramatically that year Obama took office and has remained so.
However, you did make reference to one point concerning the “trillions of dollars in debt (thanks to Dubya)”. Here is one point where I can meet you half way. Bush did in fact add trillions of dollars to the national debt and he supported the bailouts. However, there are two key points I’d like to make here:
- Unsustainable government spending is not a conservative principle. In your comments, you make several references to “you Republicans”. Nowhere in my post do I claim to be a Republican. This is not a Republican website – it is a conservative website. I criticize unsustainable government spending as a matter of policy – regardless of the political party that initiates it.
- In terms of scale, Obama’s spending pales in comparison to Bush’s by a large margin. Bush came into office in 2000 with a $5.6T deficit and left office in 2008 with about $10T in deficits. That works out to $4.4T over the course of an 8-year term. Obama came into office with a $10T in deficits in 2008 and the national debt currently stands at $15.3T. That works out to $5.3T in spending in less than 3-1/2 years.
“Dubya defrauded the American people with two corrupted elections with the help of Jeb in 2000 and with Diebold voting machines and Kenneth Blackwell in Ohio in 2004.”
Again, where is your proof? Furthermore, it’s one thing to suggest that there were voting irregularities in the 2000 and 2004 elections (provided you have supporting evidence). However, suggesting that George and/or Jeb Bush were directly responsible for it is another matter altogether. With that said there are plenty of purported examples of voter fraud to go around (on both sides of the isle) in the 2000, 2004 and 2008 elections. Interestingly, the ACLU (not exactly a right-wing organization) claims “there is almost no voter fraud in America”:
“You far radical right Republicans are creatures of the dark and you will repeatedly lie, with the hope you will somehow be believed. You are nothing short absurd and may you reap what you dish out. I believe in Karmic law!”
- Again, I don’t claim to be a Republican and this is not a Republican website.
- Show me a specific example of where I lied.
- If an example of “Karmic law” is the 2010 Congressional election, I agree with you. I may agree with you again in November.
To close, I’d like to thank Kathleen for responding to my post. Like many others before her, she has yet again proven the inability of the folks with left-leaning ideologies to provide reasonable, supported arguments for their positions. And as always, when reason fails, they resort to the same feeble tactics:
- Not addressing the actual arguments; instead, diverting the conversation to irrelevant threads of discussion.
- Not bothering to provide actual supporting data.
- Finally, resorting to ranting and name-calling.